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Sam Tobin-Hochstadt's avatar

I would be really interested in views on the apartheid question split by both antisemitism and ideology or 2024 vote.

Milan Singh's avatar

We'll put the raw data up on Yale Dataverse soon. For now, here's an expanded version of the apartheid question chart that we didn't put in the piece because it's a bit unwieldy. https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/Gp6Pa/6/

Sam Tobin-Hochstadt's avatar

Thanks, although that of course doesn't have the joint split that I'm thinking of.

Mark's avatar

The idea that you have to believe every ethnic group deserves its own state or you are racist against them is low key insane - as if China or India or numerous African states are all just ethnostates. Even a lot of European identities are sort of manufactured - Spain has more than one ethnicity for example.

CleverBeast's avatar

If Spain has more than one ethnicity, so does Israel. There are dozens of Jewish ethnicities.

Mark's avatar

In that case the ADL definition of antisemitism is even more incoherent - the idea that every existing ethnic group or people group deserves its own state is beyond unworkable. And Palestinians are a people too…

CleverBeast's avatar

The ADL does not deny that Palestinians have a right to their state…

But more importantly, you’ve just misunderstood their claim. What is antisemitic, according to the ADL, is a particular focus on Israel as an “ethnostate” without similar criticisms of Spain, Japan, China, or the proposed composition of any Palestinian state.

If you oppose “ethnostates” on principle, but reserve any criticism on said grounds for the Jewish one, you should probably examine your biases.

Mark's avatar

Not opposed to Israel’s existence. But Israel doesn’t get to be treated differently than other countries either. If any large US corporation talked about Israel the way they talk about China or Russia (other countries with track record of military aggression and repression of domestic minority groups) they would face boycotts and outrage.

Jiatao Liang's avatar

The common factor between China and Russia is more likely the fact that they're American adversaries while Israel is an ally.

Dane Willette's avatar

The antisemitism comes from the double standard. A lot of time is spent attacking the legitimacy of Israel as a Jewish state, but almost none the legitimacy of India or Spain or Japan or the countless other "ethnostates." It is fine to say you do not think any state should be an ethnostate, but then why only ever talk about it in regards to Israel?