This was super poignant and I think the “disagree about the actual facts -> disagree about the normative implications” pattern a) generalizes and b) is underdiscussed. Few things seem less fair than someone you perceive has pulled ahead asking for a *structural advantage to continue to pull ahead*; likewise few things seem less fair than someone you perceive as having an entrenched advantage saying “you don’t get to do things that jeopardize my entrenched advantage.”
This is one area where I think the success of DEI policies at the most prominent and public of institutions has spectacularly backfired.
Most men could look—not at the data—but at Hollywood, commercials, newspapers, etc.—and see a fairly even balance of women and men, if not slightly skewed towards women among the younger cohort.
But this isn’t representative, and most women’s experience will be of the more frustrating and mundane reality of inequality—albeit to a lesser extent—that women have complained about for decades.
Between these poll results and those of Lakshya's, I'm starting to believe that for functional purposes "elites" just equals "people I believe I disagree with" in American politics.
That’s an interesting hypothesis, but not one I’d ever accuse most of the leftists I know of making. For them, saying “most Americans think [bad thing]” (which they say frequently regardless of its veracity) is a way of condemning America.
Social desirability bias really only applied to the cohort you’re involved with. For many people, agreeing or sympathizing with ‘other Americans’ likely is a good thing, as you point out. But a large enough subset have the opposite perspective that I’m not sure how one could tease the two apart in the data.
Personally, I think only 81% of adults thinking men and women are equally suited to leadership is a TERRIBLE NUMBER. Do 1 in 5 of my potential employers think otherwise??!?
I think the important question here is whether that 20% is correlated with the people who are making these decisions or with the people who don’t even vote very often.
Well, maybe, but a lot of employers make hiring decisions as a collective, vs. the process being in the control of a single individual, and you're probably doing a good job selecting potential employers who aren't as likely to discriminate against you. Plus, maybe you'll encounter a hiring manager who believes that women are *better* suited for leadership!
I for one would be excited by any Golden Enclaves content. There's some interesting exploration of collecti V e action problems in that series grounded in great characters.
So why would it be that Millennials have the least egalitarian view of feminism? Agreeing generally on equality is a good thing--but it is a little disconcerting that M's drop below 60% on the question and that 19% believe women are superior to men. Meanwhile a large chunk of these folks are holding the perception that men stand in the way of women's progress. I wonder how this breaks down by gender? And--does it matter that these young people experienced some of ten most energetic efforts of any generation to bring about gender equality (still lagging), and are in the hard middle of family and work life right now? Speculation will not get us very far--but I still think Americans have an equality "problem." We believe in it--until it makes us uncomfortable? All people are created equal--we should radically hold that belief.
This was super poignant and I think the “disagree about the actual facts -> disagree about the normative implications” pattern a) generalizes and b) is underdiscussed. Few things seem less fair than someone you perceive has pulled ahead asking for a *structural advantage to continue to pull ahead*; likewise few things seem less fair than someone you perceive as having an entrenched advantage saying “you don’t get to do things that jeopardize my entrenched advantage.”
This is one area where I think the success of DEI policies at the most prominent and public of institutions has spectacularly backfired.
Most men could look—not at the data—but at Hollywood, commercials, newspapers, etc.—and see a fairly even balance of women and men, if not slightly skewed towards women among the younger cohort.
But this isn’t representative, and most women’s experience will be of the more frustrating and mundane reality of inequality—albeit to a lesser extent—that women have complained about for decades.
Between these poll results and those of Lakshya's, I'm starting to believe that for functional purposes "elites" just equals "people I believe I disagree with" in American politics.
And corruption is when elected officials do things that I disagree with, because they've been paid to by elites.
Millennials are at the age of greatest discontent, the bottom of the "U" in the age-related happiness surveys. Another helpful poll.
I'm not sure how to test it, but
> I think *good thing* but most Americans think *bad thing*.
Sure seems like a way to express sympathy for bad thing. Is that polling technique used to overcome social desirability bias?
That’s an interesting hypothesis, but not one I’d ever accuse most of the leftists I know of making. For them, saying “most Americans think [bad thing]” (which they say frequently regardless of its veracity) is a way of condemning America.
Social desirability bias really only applied to the cohort you’re involved with. For many people, agreeing or sympathizing with ‘other Americans’ likely is a good thing, as you point out. But a large enough subset have the opposite perspective that I’m not sure how one could tease the two apart in the data.
All fair points, but weren't the surveys conducted on a relatively normal population distribution?
Personally, I think only 81% of adults thinking men and women are equally suited to leadership is a TERRIBLE NUMBER. Do 1 in 5 of my potential employers think otherwise??!?
I think the important question here is whether that 20% is correlated with the people who are making these decisions or with the people who don’t even vote very often.
Well, maybe, but a lot of employers make hiring decisions as a collective, vs. the process being in the control of a single individual, and you're probably doing a good job selecting potential employers who aren't as likely to discriminate against you. Plus, maybe you'll encounter a hiring manager who believes that women are *better* suited for leadership!
I for one would be excited by any Golden Enclaves content. There's some interesting exploration of collecti V e action problems in that series grounded in great characters.
So why would it be that Millennials have the least egalitarian view of feminism? Agreeing generally on equality is a good thing--but it is a little disconcerting that M's drop below 60% on the question and that 19% believe women are superior to men. Meanwhile a large chunk of these folks are holding the perception that men stand in the way of women's progress. I wonder how this breaks down by gender? And--does it matter that these young people experienced some of ten most energetic efforts of any generation to bring about gender equality (still lagging), and are in the hard middle of family and work life right now? Speculation will not get us very far--but I still think Americans have an equality "problem." We believe in it--until it makes us uncomfortable? All people are created equal--we should radically hold that belief.
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