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Marcus Seldon's avatar

My hot take is that the vast majority of US leftists are also liberals and I wish they’d just admit it.

Bernie and Zohran and Warren are calling for Scandinavian-style welfare programs and labor protections, not the abolition of private property. And how many writers at Jacobin or The Nation support throwing out individual rights and democracy in favor of a dictatorship of the proletariat? Almost none. Hell, one of the top leftist causes right now is antitrust, on the grounds that monopolies harm market competition. So leftists aren’t even anti-market anymore!

I think the distinction is mostly about aesthetics, not core values. This is why leftist politicians, who actually have to govern, are much more positive toward the abundance agenda. Abundance policies actually help them achieve their goals.

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Hon's avatar

Interesting but imo people read abundance-oriented liberalism as centrism because it sidesteps the core political question: how far redistribution should go. It seems like abundance libs are comfortable guaranteeing a strong floor: universal benefits, public investment, broad access but stop short of limiting what the wealthy can consume or opt out of. From what I can gauge, that hesitation comes from a belief that constraining the top is “zero-sum” and risks harming innovation or dynamism.

Leftists, by contrast, argue that without some ceiling or some mechanism that keeps everyone in the same institutions, the floor itself eventually collapses. The fight over different variations of Medicare for All is actually the perfect illustration : should the wealthy be able to pay more to get ahead in line if we do universal healthcare? The left argues that if the wealthy can carve out private tiers, they drain resources and political support from the public plan.

I think the disagreement isn’t rlly about technocracy or optimism or “abundance” itself imo it’s about whether fairness requires equalizing outcomes at the top, not only raising conditions at the bottom. and if you are willing to sacrifice some growth or dynamism for producing less inequality within the nation state.

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