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In the first study referenced I’m quite certain that a huge lurking variable is the concienciousness and executive function of the parents on a big 5 personality test. If youre poor and you move from a poor neighborhood to a rich neighborhood you’re probably doing it with some intent to better the life of you and your family, you’re likely leaving a community with connections and it’s a very intentional choice to take a short term cost for longer term gain. You’re selecting against the types of people who would be the classic low SES nuisances/anti social actors that people want to spend money to avoid. It’s not a study but I’m quite aware of a few sets of issues in public housing in SF where a bottom 1% in concienciousness person ruins the experience for everyone else in the building by smoking meth, blasting music all day, screaming a ton and having shady associates come and go, or in another story a person in the affordable part of a nice building opened some kind of a giant water faucet for fire fighting on the 20th floor and and everyone on floors 15-20 had to be moved out to hotels for a few months while everything was repaired. I’d take a proceed with caution approach to any policy here, and I’d be more open to expansion if it was more broadly acceptable to deal with anti social/nusiance behavior vs accepting it.

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It's not that I don't believe you, but it's tricky that the logic starts with "it is bad for kids to grow up around a lot of poor people" and goes to "so we would like to move some poor people into your wealthier neighborhood." Y'know? It's like every point of evidence for why the kids should get out of the bad neighborhood ALSO works as a point against bringing those people into YOUR neighborhood.

In the opener there's a line about "the benefits of integration — for the rich in addition to the poor" but when I read it, I did not really find those benefits for the rich. Without a tradeoff, this becomes just charity work and I worry it will not really happen.

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