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Are there any analyses out there that compare Waymos to vehicles that drive in similar ways? (Eg, Ubers or taxis) Not sure if that data is available, but it might make people feel even better that the comparison is apples-to-apples. It seems plausible to me that Ubers/taxis have lower incident rates than people driving themselves.

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I basically agree with this article but I will make two complaints.

1. We certainly have lots of data about crashes from Waymo, but there's lots of other data we don't have that's safety relevant. To start with, crashes are reported in detail but miles driven is just something you get from their advertising blog posts. We don't have breakdowns of highway vs city street, deadhead vs passenger, etc.

More significant for safely is that we don't know anything about disengagements and remote assistance. This doesn't impact how we should assess waymos safety record so far but is significant for how to assess it going forward.

2. I think footnote 3 is wrong because Waymo is a service not a car. If we were considering the safety record of a similar level AV that people owned I would agree that the impact on public transit is not the same as the safety record and belongs in a different conversation. But instead Waymo effectively is a public transit system. So you have to consider whether it's getting people out of Ubers significant safety win), their own car (big safety win but way more variance), or off of the bus (safety negative).

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