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Sam Tobin-Hochstadt's avatar

I basically agree with this article but I will make two complaints.

1. We certainly have lots of data about crashes from Waymo, but there's lots of other data we don't have that's safety relevant. To start with, crashes are reported in detail but miles driven is just something you get from their advertising blog posts. We don't have breakdowns of highway vs city street, deadhead vs passenger, etc.

More significant for safely is that we don't know anything about disengagements and remote assistance. This doesn't impact how we should assess waymos safety record so far but is significant for how to assess it going forward.

2. I think footnote 3 is wrong because Waymo is a service not a car. If we were considering the safety record of a similar level AV that people owned I would agree that the impact on public transit is not the same as the safety record and belongs in a different conversation. But instead Waymo effectively is a public transit system. So you have to consider whether it's getting people out of Ubers significant safety win), their own car (big safety win but way more variance), or off of the bus (safety negative).

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Thanks so much for writing this piece! May I gently suggest that Zipper deserves a little more holding-to-account than your admirably generous response? His opening sentence:

“If a chorus of wide-eyed boosters and enthralled journalists are to be believed, self-driving cars from companies like Waymo, Tesla, and Zoox can bring about road safety nirvana — if only US regulators would get out of their way.”

“wide-eyed” and “enthralled” are ad-hominem attacks on the legitimacy of those Zipper disagrees with. He shouldn’t do that even if he has evidence to support his description — but to my reading he doesn’t supply any. Next, his close:

“Let’s give AV companies yet another benefit of doubt and assume that their technology proves so powerful that it produces a net reduction in crash deaths even with an increase in total car use. Still, that is not enough to justify government leaders prioritizing AVs as a road safety solution. The reason is quite simple. Good policymaking entails choosing the most cost-effective ways to address a public problem, in this case traffic deaths. Self-driving technology is only one of many tactics available to reduce crashes, and it is not at all clear that it offers the highest return on investment. To offer just a few alternative approaches: Cars could be outfitted with Intelligent Speed Assist — a far simpler technology that automatically limits the driver’s ability to exceed posted limits. Regulators could restrict the size of oversized SUVs and pickups that endanger everyone else on the road. Cities could build streets with features that are proven to reduce crashes, such as protected bike lanes, wider sidewalks, roundabout intersections and narrower travel lanes. States could legalize the installation of automatic traffic cameras that deter illegal driving. Bus and rail service could be expanded. Unlike autonomous vehicles, these strategies have been reliably shown to reduce crashes — and without AVs’ mitigating risk of expanding total car use.” [new lines removed for space]

Zipper considers “expanding total car use” a “risk. He falsely presents *allowing Waymo to operate* as *prioritizing AVs as a road safety solution*. He lists his preferred policy changes as options that “regulators” / “cities” / “states” all “could” do without acknowledging the obvious first obstacle that *voters don’t want them to implement those policies*. As Zipper is surely aware, normal people like buying giant SUVs that can go 100mph, and many jurisdictions have removed automatic traffic cameras at the behest of angry voters (BTW, this fight seems worth having). I mean, dude: putting in roundabouts just doesn’t conflict with letting Waymo serve its customers. The biggest conflict is in the last sentence: voters will overwhelmingly reject the proposition that because car trips can produce accidents, public policy should restrict voters’ access to car trips.

Zipper’s piece is rife with evidence of bad faith. I think the burden is on him to reply with reasons why we should treat his essay with respect rather than dismissal.

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